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"LL" Fork and "2-wd conversion" 1994 Ural 650


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Can someone tell me if the "Leading Link" front fork is a "Bolt on deal" for my 1994 Ural 650? If so, Will the stock 18 inch wheels from my bike fit? Its got a telescopic front fork from the factory, It handles like you would expect on the road, but if i go Off-Road its .. Lets say a little shakey? :-P

I like to go Off-Road, But the handling with the telescopic fork.. Feels like its flexing, And the fact that it is a 1wd makes almost every trip a little more of an adventure than i care for..

Personal I think that changing the front fork to a "LL" is one of the best improvements i can do to enhance its ability to go in "ruff terrain" without beeing so hard to handle.

I love my Ural, Its a "Keeper" and i dont mind doing some "adjustments" to it so it will fit my needs when going Off-Road ;-)

 

Do you think its worth the investment of a LL fork? And how about a 2wd conversion?

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:smile: Ok. I just want my Ural to be as easy to handle as it can get. My right arm refuses to cooperate after i damaged some of the muscles in both the upper and lower arm, Thats why ;-) Does the dnepr system fit on a ural? Is it easy to find parts for it?
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My Urals also have telescopic front ends.

When we go off-road, I simply hand tighten the center adjuster to place some drag on the steering. That solves the shoulder damage issues for me caused by the steering characteristics on washboard road surfaces.

I just have to be sure to loosen that adjustment again when heading into paved roads. Otherwise, the bike tries to wonder all over the road because of the dragging steering.

~RN

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Thanks to all of you for trying youre best to answer my questions :smile: I imagined that the LL fork was a little more forgiving than the Telescopic one.. To make a long story short i thought it would absorb the "washboards" in a better way than the telescopic one, But that may just be in my head :wink:

I got a Ural and i got nothing against Dnepr, But there is not a lot of them around where i live.. I have heard that some people say that the Dnepr is a far better animal in many cases, A good example is the driveshaft for the sidecar being at a forward angle on the Ural and going just straight across to the sidecar hub on the Dnepr... Or the rodbearings that are slidebearings on the Dnepr vs roller bearings with cheap aluminum alloy cages on the Ural ..The list goes on..

But i have a Ural, And i intend to make the most of it :smile: I have contacted a man who lives in Russia, He has a brand new LL fork with drumbrakes, fender and fenderguard for sale (CHEAP!!) I asked him what type of bearings its made to fit, And im waiting for him to check that and reply.. If it doesnt fit my frame, Then its obvious that i will settle for the telescopic one and be happy(Dont know if im willing to do any machining to the frame or fork to accept different type of bearings, Because it will be a pain to de-customise it later if and when i find out that the LL fork was a "Bummer") :smile: When it comes to the 2wd conversion ..I got to say its a rather expensive adventure ..but the cost for a Gear Up (Where i live) , Or the availability of a Dnepr (Where i live) is also a factor .. :feelssogood: Who knows.. Meanwhile, :cheers:

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The bearings in the headstock are the same, telescopic or leading link. They are an odd size and are not available from a bearing supplier. They are the same size as R60 BMW headstock bearings, which are still available from BMW dealers

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Thats great :smile: The guy with the LL fork said that the fork will fit, And now youre telling me what bearings to use and where to get them :smile: Thanks :biggrin: Looks like i will experience first hand what the difference between the two forks are this winter :cool:

I can always put the old fork back on the Ural if i get tired of the LL .. It may take a while before I can say anything about how the LL fork works out, Because I got to tear the engine apart and change some of that noisey old "Banana steel" bearings.. I will keep you guys updated on this with pictures and more annoying questions in the future :P :cheers:

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Bilge Keel Dave said

The bearings in the headstock are the same, telescopic or leading link. They are an odd size and are not available from a bearing supplier. They are the same size as R60 BMW headstock bearings, which are still available from BMW dealers

 

Only if the Ural is pre-factory fitted tapered roller bearings. They are a different size. Sorry can't remember what year they commenced. Since the LL has a drum front brake, it is a /2 type bearing. Parts Plus SW055, also available for CJs at a much cheaper price than BMW dealers.

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I had my telescopic forks on my Retro swapped out for LL forks. For me it seems to give a better ride and steers more easily on winding roads. The primary reason I switched, however, was to cure a disk brake lockup in panic stopping. The telescopic fork would twist enough to bind the caliper if you hit the brakes hard (like when an idiot pulls out in front of you) and the wheel would lock tight until you came to a complete stop. This happened 4 or 5 times over as many years, so when I got a good deal on a LL unit I jumped on it. No more brake lockup.

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Bilge Keel Dave said

The bearings in the headstock are the same, telescopic or leading link. They are an odd size and are not available from a bearing supplier. They are the same size as R60 BMW headstock bearings, which are still available from BMW dealers

 

Only if the Ural is pre-factory fitted tapered roller bearings. They are a different size. Sorry can't remember what year they commenced. Since the LL has a drum front brake, it is a /2 type bearing. Parts Plus SW055, also available for CJs at a much cheaper price than BMW dealers.

 

Telling me! http://sidecarpro.com/BFA-tapered-steering-column-bearing.html

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:smile: Im not sure, But i think the Urals came with the tapered bearings in the steering head/Head stock from the factory from 2008 and up? (Correct me if im wrong)

I havent thought about why before, But i can feel that my front brake is pulsing slightly when im braking hard (Feels like the brake drum has a rusted spot, Or is out of round) I went out this morning to take it for a spin just to take a closer look at what really happens... My brakes needs attention/adjustment (Thats no secret) But it looks like the fork is twisting when braking hard and acting like a spring (Twisting left and right when the brake starts pulsing) The "Spring effect" Acts as a "amplifier" on the pulsing brake, Making the problem worse than it really is...

For me the Anti Dive effect on the LL is both a blessing and a curse, Because when braking i want as much weight over the front wheel as i can get, My own experience with the Anti Dive effect on other bikes with the LL system is that it tends to make the bike lift in the front (Only when braking) and force the weight of the bike to go more towards the rear making it to loose grip on the front wheel .. (This is felt especially when riding on gravel) But on the other hand, It will also make the bike more stable in other situations.. On the positive side of things, I think that the LL will be able to give me a smoother ride over the "washboards" when both accelerating and braking :smile: Thanks to all of you for being understanding and helpfull :smile:

The link that you Mike Goldthorpe was so kind to ad in your post looks interesting :smile: If I understand this right, Then those bearings are meant to be a Replacement/Retrofit for the older type of bearings in the steering head/Headstock and will fit my bike?

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Im sorry to see that you deslike my way of thinking Peter .. But i must inform you that im NOT going to get rid of the drum brake, Because the LL fork kit is delivered to me complete with DRUM BRAKES, Fender, Fender guard, Mud flap, Shock absorbers and the dreaded LL fork ... If you take your time and look at one of my previous posts on this subject, You will see thats the case ..

I Respect/Accept your meanings/Feelings, And expect you to Respect/Accept mine ..

I will proceed my adventure, Even if im being referred to as a "Blind man" Because being blind dont mean that im a Idiot :wink: Thanks anyway :cheers:

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