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I smoke hand rolled. A six ounce can comes with 200 papers but realy makes about 150 cigaretes. 2 weeks ago a 6 oz. can would cost me $14.99 here in Jersey. Yesterday because of the new tax $34.97 !!! I usually stock up when I make trips down south. Last year the same can cost $9.50 to $10.50 depending on he store in North Carolina. Could anyone who lives down there let me know what a 6 oz can of Buglar or Kite is going for now?

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I smoke hand rolled. A six ounce can comes with 200 papers but realy makes about 150 cigaretes. 2 weeks ago a 6 oz. can would cost me $14.99 here in Jersey. Yesterday because of the new tax $34.97 !!! I usually stock up when I make trips down south. Last year the same can cost $9.50 to $10.50 depending on he store in North Carolina. Could anyone who lives down there let me know what a 6 oz can of Buglar or Kite is going for now?

 

NOW you're hittin' one of MY biggest gripes... smokers have become an easy mark for every political anus who wants to raise taxes!

 

First they enact totally obscene taxes on tobacco, then they make it illegal to smoke it anyplace!!! :wino:

 

Here in Wisconsin... they raised the taxes on cigarettes by $1.00 a pack earlier this year. They're about to raise it another .75 a pack.

 

An hour ago, I bought a carton of American Spirits. Try $62.00 !!! :thumbsup!:

 

These "sin tax" bastards may have bitten off more than they can chew tho... in Wisconsin, somebody was STUPID enough to propose a tax increase on BEER!!!

 

In this state Pardner, them's fightin' words. The feces are gonna hit the blender bigtime over THAT one... but smokers aren't as well organized as the drinkers.

 

 

There's apparently a way around most of the new Federal tobacco tax...

 

A buddy of mine does hand rolling, and he orders his tobacco off of the Internet... thus avoiding state taxes. He usually buys 20 - 40 pounds at a time, for the use of a little Smoker's Cooperative in his area.

 

He tells me that the Federal taxes have caused the costs to go thru the roof of late... but his tobacco distributor tipped him off to something.

 

"I can't tell you about how to do this" he said... "but did you notice that the Federal tax increase is MUCH smaller on PIPE TOBACCO?"

 

He went on... "...and for your information, I'm adding a NUMBER of new, specialized 'pipe blends' that I'm VERY sure you'll be interested in... heh heh heh... ".

 

Take it for what it's worth... :beer!:

 

 

As for ME... I haven't time to deal with hand rolled stuff here. Therefore... when I go to neighboring states for dog shows, I have a strong tendency to become a smuggler on the return trip! My butts are currently $10.00 a carton cheaper in Illinois, and will soon be $17.50 cheaper.

 

...and to make it better...

 

I have a buddy who, three or four times a year, makes trips to Cuba. And it seems that they're too busy these days looking for smuggled bombs to pay any attention to a couple of boxes of Monte Cristos in yer luggage! :thumbsup!:

 

At the local "cigar bar", if you're a trusted regular, illegal Montes can be had... for $7.50 - $12.50 a pop!

 

 

 

Gavno the Ugly

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You guys have any Indian casinos near by? There is almost always a smoke shop at one of these where cigaretts sell for lots less as they are exempt from many of the taxes and they pass that on to the buyer.

 

Most smokers here head out to the Res. to buy their cartons.

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You guys have any Indian casinos near by? There is almost always a smoke shop at one of these where cigaretts sell for lots less as they are exempt from many of the taxes and they pass that on to the buyer.

 

Most smokers here head out to the Res. to buy their cartons.

 

That's been short circuited here.

 

The HoChunks have negotiated thier latest treaty with the State, and it includes a clause agreeing to honor State taxes on tobacco and gasoline.

 

BTW... they're raising gasoline taxes here too... :thumbsup!:

 

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When I was in St. Petersburg they had Cuban cigars with brands that are familiar here as "cuban seed Hondurans". H.Upmans, Romeo and Juliet, Coheba. They were at the same prices I could get them here. Illiya told me " You know they are the same cigars." I had heard about Cuban cigars being shiped to Honduras and the Dominican Republic to be labled and reshipped. I enjoyed smoking Cuban cigars while I was in Russia and smuggled a few back.

 

A goveror they had here Florio raised the sales tax from 6 to 7 percent and extended it to BEER! Which used to be considered food with no sales tax. He got bashed for the "Greatest Tax Increase in History" so he was not re-elected. The next gov Christi Todd Whitman, a new to politics 2 year county freeholder who had no bussiness being governor, backed the sales tax down to 6% but kept it on beer. Damn her, Damn her to a Bush appointee position that she feels moraly obligated to resign from.

 

I'd still like to know how much hand rolled tobacco goes for down south. I'll bring extra cash so they can't track me for back taxes by my credit card.

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I'd still like to know how much hand rolled tobacco goes for down south. I'll bring extra cash so they can't track me for back taxes by my credit card.

 

Have you ever thought about smoking grape vines? We did that as kids. Pretty nasty stuff and hard to keep lit, but we pretended we liked it, anyway. :-)

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I'd still like to know how much hand rolled tobacco goes for down south. I'll bring extra cash so they can't track me for back taxes by my credit card.

 

Have you ever thought about smoking grape vines? We did that as kids. Pretty nasty stuff and hard to keep lit, but we pretended we liked it, anyway. :-)

 

 

I didn't know anybody else did that! When I was about twelve, I stumbled on the fact that a piece of grapevine allowed enough airflow so you could draw smoke through it. Did it for a while, thought I was a bigshot like Humphry Bogart dragging on his cigaret. I haven't thought about it in decades. You're right it was nasty - I believe 'harsh' is the word.

 

Peter

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The American Lung Association states that "Secondhand smoke causes almost 50,000 deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year."

That's 1 in about 6,076 people. If you remove outside carcinogens like asbestos and smog, it at least halves that number.

This "statistic" is heralded worldwide as a basis to implement sweeping reforms in restaurants, bars and hotels: in many cases destroying the real livelyhoods of working people.

A pack of premium filter cigarettes here is about $1.20 :thumbsup!:

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The American Lung Association states that "Secondhand smoke causes almost 50,000 deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year."

That's 1 in about 6,076 people. If you remove outside carcinogens like asbestos and smog, it at least halves that number.

This "statistic" is heralded worldwide as a basis to implement sweeping reforms in restaurants, bars and hotels: in many cases destroying the real livelyhoods of working people.

A pack of premium filter cigarettes here is about $1.20 :P

 

Here in Madison, Wisconsin (or, as the right wing talk show folks call it, "Moscow on the Prairie" :smile: ), the statistics have been strictly a tool for ideologues... everyone hates smoking here because it's POLITICALLY CORRECT!

 

There was a student, Ira Sharenow, who for YEARS was whining and bitching that HE was "allergic" to smoke and he couldn't go to the student bars and get sh-tfaced (on the Friday night All You Can Drink Keg Specials) because of it!

 

Sharnow kept whining to the city council, and after maybe 5 years (the little bugger stayed here after graduation) there was a city council that took his BS seriously.

 

They banned smoking in ALL Madison bars... but they negotiated a waiver for the fancy "cigar bar" downtown, where the upscale folks (including state legislators) are the patrons.

 

As soon as they did so, the bars all over town were deserted on Friday and Saturday nights... and the bars in the suburbs, beyond the city line (where the city ordinance didn't apply) picked up business.

 

In the last 3 years I've had to change my favorite watering hole four times; they keep going out of business as a direct result of the smoking ban. And the proponents call the ban a "rousing success".

 

 

The University of Wisconsin instituted a smoking ban... in the FOOTBALL STADIUM! Never mind the fact that it's outdoors... they'd do a whole lot BETTER if they banned beer sales during games; less people would throw bleachers over the top wall of the place... but getting rid of beer would cut into concession income in a big way.

 

 

In a state office building downtown, the Nicotine Nazis struck again.

 

Smoking was banned inside of the office building (of course!), so smokers began smoking on the front steps.

 

The whiners then began complaining that THEY were getting second hand smoke thru the ventilation system; the air conditioner intakes are on the roof, ONLY seven stories above the street!

 

The Nicotine Nazis DEMANDED that smoking be banned for a ONE BLOCK RADIUS around the building!

 

They overplayed thier hand that time... the city (FINALLY!) told them to go to hell! :cheers:

 

 

After all of this idiocy... the Mad City anti smoking folks have managed to convince the STATE that a STATEWIDE BAN ON SMOKING IN BARS is a good idea!

 

The Wisconsin Tavern League (the bar owner's lobby) is trying like hell to fight it now.

 

All because a little weasel named Ira Sharenow wouldn't go into a smoky bar on Saturday night to try and get laid.

 

 

It's funny... now that there's no smoking in the bars, damned if I've ever seen Ira enjoying his victory over a beer.

 

He probably KNOWS better... if he EVER sets foot in a Madison bar, there's a whole lotta people who are sworn to kick his skinny butt on sight! :cheers: :thumbsup!:

 

 

 

Gavno

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Here in SD, cans of bugler were $12.95 at the local cigarette store. Now they are $28, though the prices are going up as the owner of the store can't seem to figure out how to price his merch.

 

A single foil pouch was $1.24 and is now $4.18, tax included.

 

I was buying Midnight Special at $6.25 a bag in VA prior to the tax hike.

 

Man... overnight... just like that.

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as of 4-14-2009 the following cigarette costs, in massachusetts, are: (in US Dollars)

 

Basic: $7.44

Camel: $7.61

Doral: $7.27

Kool: $7.81

Marlboro: $7.82

Maverick: $6.36

Mustang (generic brand also our cheapest): $5.98

Newport: $7.76

Old Gold: $7.27

Pall Mall: $5.94

Parliament: $8.15

Salem: $7.81

Virgina Slims: $8.28

Winston: $7.27

USA Gold: $6.65

The state is desperate for money to pay state pensions, so they raise tobacco taxes, then everyone goes to newhampshire where there is no sales tax, and revenue drops every time they do it, newhampshire stores set up special sales counters just to handle the extra buisness generated from massachusetts,when will they learn, when they raise tobacco tax here the more money Newhampshire makes.Many New Hampshire merchants say the state?s lower cigarette tax of 51 cents per pack is just part of what attracts consumers from other states. John Dumais represents 700 stores as president of the New Hampshire Grocers Association. Dumais says higher taxes in Massachusetts make the Granite State?s tax advantages stand out.

 

BOSTON - At 11:01 p.m. on Monday night, the Massachusetts House approved a 25 percent hike in the state's sales tax The hike, part of the House version of the $27.4 billion fiscal 2010 state budget, would increase the current five percent sales tax to 6.25 percent,this is next people lose jobs government grows.

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I am an ex-smoker, (35 years) and an ex-tobacco farmer. I still have all my tobacco tools. All the gov. has done is shift tobacco farming to outside the US (Philippines). When we farmed tobacco the MSM railed about the "tobacco subsidy". Bull+s+h+i+t!!! For every dollar I made, the US collected 16 dollars in taxes. The powers that be want to maximize taxes on tobacco and alcohol, while pretending to care for the little guy. They want to look good while they fleece us.

Phillip Morris has transferred it's production to South America, they have taught the locals how to grow and cure tobacco, and cut their costs in half. That is what it is all about. That is what it has always been about. They tried this in 1906, and starved American tobacco farmers for 3 years, that was the reason the tobacco price controls were first set up.

 

How about I raise an organic pick your own crop. You come to my farm and cut, house and strip tobacco. I'll plant and top. We are looking about $1.25 a pound. You take home your bales and do what you want.

 

I wonder if they would put me in jail if I did this?

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How about I raise an organic pick your own crop. You come to my farm and cut, house and strip tobacco. I'll plant and top. We are looking about $1.25 a pound. You take home your bales and do what you want.

 

I wonder if they would put me in jail if I did this?

 

 

If you make one penny out of the deal... Yep. And they'd probably send out Federal Marshals, armed to the teeth, to take ya into custody. After all... you're running a Big Time Cartel!

 

If ya DON'T make anything on the deal, they'll eventually get around to sending a couple of paper shufflers out to harrass ya when they have nothing more interesting to do.

 

The odd combination of choices of areas to regulate reflected by the agency name "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" says something about American politics... the last item scares the hell out of politicians, but the first two are where the campaign money used to come from!

 

 

Gavno

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